Okay finally saw it now in counterance to Worf's argument that is somehow based on Star Wars I see nothing at all in its plot that would honestly make me think that. Worf I suggest you look up your Star Trek lore and read the following:
Spoiler: First scene with Kirk's father explained a lot, we now have the basis for the character's flaws and anger. This also puts the factor on the balance of life and death as we learn later. (STAR WARS THE CHARACTER HAS TO FIND OUT HIS FATHER IS FUCKED UP) Kirk's a bad boy, Luke was a baby! AWW LEMME STARE AT THE SUN AND BE MELODRAMATIC!
Kirk: LEMME STARE AT A STAR SHIP IM SOON GOING TO COMMAND!
BAR SCENE: HAN DOES THE WORK, LUKE SITS ON HIS ASS> KIRK HEY CUPCAKE> LETS DIE> STARFLEET
The [B]science[/B] of the character structure is fitting it fits the Star Trek Timeline and explains clearly how they became allies in a growing Federation.
Star Wars:
Lets see exactly where this goes, I'm not sure what I'm doing here but there must a purpose a force! MITOCHONDRIANS!
If you wish to counter my argument there: Remember there is the Q continuum...This could be another one of Qs games?
While we now have an explanation for the Romulan War, I hope in the next movie Data, YES, Brent Spiner will Return.
And thank god George Lucas is not the owner of this film otherwise we'd end up with something like. Star Wars Episode One.
Thank you for reading this review I hope you enjoyed it.
Yes it was a follow up to Nemesis, I hope to god just to show off they call it The Return of The Romulan Empire. It would make me laugh. :P
Thank God I don't live in the ST universe... If that is the way how to become a captain of a flagship, I'd feel everything else than safe under Starfleet protection...
Got to see it on Saturday at the IMAX. Unfortunately, we had to sit in the 2nd row, which is akin to watching though a microscope attached to a wide angle lens....made the action scenes harder to follow than they already were.
Anyway fun as hell. The McCoy character was spot on, along with the interaction between Kirk and McCoy. Nice to see that some of the general humor is back that had been lost with TNG. Only complaint is the several plot loops that should have been handled differently (still better than a Michael Bay movie).
The best part, the characters had swagger, something almost completely missing from TNG (attn Mr. Frakes, growing a beard does not give you swagger).
Finally [sp]It was great seeing the guy in the red jump suit die almost immediately![/sp]
[QUOTE=sinclair;181717]Thank God I don't live in the ST universe... If that is the way how to become a captain of a flagship, I'd feel everything else than safe under Starfleet protection...[/QUOTE]
I know, I did feel that was somewhat odd. I know in the original Trek canon, Kirk rose through the ranks just like anybody else. True he was the youngest starfleet captain ever, but he got up there through honest work. Going from a near-graduate to Captain in a week seemed very......illogical.
I guess that stemmed from the fact that Pike made him first officer, over others who had been in the service already (such as Chekov).
Not sure what you guys are talking about. I don't hear anybody complain about Kirk so much talked about "reprogramming" of Spock's Kobayashi Maru training exercise. I mean, does Kirk look like a code monkey to you? Did Will Smith look like a geneticist to you in [I]I Am Legend?[/I] Kirk is not even an astronaut as far as I can tell. He's a crop-dusting pilot at best who just happened to fall up the chain of command because the writers needed him to.
Some have joked about Shatner's scene where he's climbing a mountain. Well, that's just another prime example of out of character portrayal. I took it for what I thought it was, a joke. :D
It's still entertainment with little to no basis in reality whatsoever.
I've read that some have complained about the physics side of the latest movie and the things they made black holes do. Strangely enough, I wasn't bothered by that at all. Ok, so yeah, I can see that JJ has an obvious fetish for red matter. If you recall, there was something similar in [I]Alias.[/I] Go figure.
I saw the movie. Not sure what to add to what's already been said though. I enjoyed it, and hope we get more. I like McCoy the best, but then, he always was my favorite. I thought the actor playing him did it perfect.
Spoiler: And did anyone else catch Spock quoting Sherlock Holmes?
Stingray, wanted to point out something that you seemed to overlook. Mean no offense by this, just a correction. If you have a problem with the portrayal of the Kobayashi Maru Scenario in this movie, then I invite you to rewatch StarTrek II at some point in the not too distant future and keep in mind that both Kirk's would have roughly the same training at the time they took the Kobayashi Maru test themselves.
I was just pointing out that they are putting Kirk's scientific intellect against that of Spock, who for all intents and purposes is a walking computer. Of course we can take for a fact that all Starfleet officers go through computer training and know how to operate them. Kirk is a man of action, not a man of science. He'll dispatch an enemy with a phaser, not a pinch to the neck. He's a wrestler, not a martial artist, a butcher, not a brain surgeon (feel free to add your own analogy). I'm not saying he couldn't have done it, I'm saying the way they portrayed him, it seemed out of character. He probably would have paid Wesley Crusher to do it for him, had he been alive at the time. :D
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't both kirks graduate from starfleet academy? Didn't they both receive command training? Wasn't it already shown what the Kobayashi Maru test was in startrek II, and establish that Kirk reprogrammed the computer to let him win then?
I'm not trying to start a flame war here, I just fail to understand how one can say something is out-of-character for its portrayal in one movie, but not a previous one?
Besides... if spock was the one to cheat, no one would have noticed the "glitch" when the cheat kicked in. =)
I think they're saying it's out of character because the Kirk in this pretty much has everything handed to him and doesn't really show the ability to reach these positions himself, though Pike does say that Kirk has a lot more potential than he's showing and stuff like that.
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[quote=HuntSmacker;181896]Either that or they are setting up Kirk as a Jack o'Neill type character. :P[/quote]
[QUOTE=David of Mac;181895]Actually, Uhura's orion roommate was a comp-sci specialist, and Kirk used her access to reprogram the simulator. Yay, script trims![/QUOTE]
There we have it. Problem solved. :D
[QUOTE=Melkor;181898]Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't both kirks graduate from starfleet academy? Didn't they both receive command training? Wasn't it already shown what the Kobayashi Maru test was in startrek II, and establish that Kirk reprogrammed the computer to let him win then?
I'm not trying to start a flame war here, I just fail to understand how one can say something is out-of-character for its portrayal in one movie, but not a previous one?
Besides... if spock was the one to cheat, no one would have noticed the "glitch" when the cheat kicked in. =)[/QUOTE]
Who said that it wasn't out-of-character in the previous film? I've been saying that there have been scenes in previous films that were out-of-character for Kirk and I considered them tongue-in-cheek jokes. Look how Kirk handles his "reading" glasses in Star Trek IV? Need I say more? The man is a combat soldier, not an intellectual. He works by instinct, not brains. He's closer to a Klingon than a Vulcan in the way he tackles problems. That's why Spock and Kirk complement each other so well.
Flamewaaaaar, Flaaaaaamewaaaar! Where is Captain Tightpants when you need him? :D
[QUOTE=HuntSmacker;181896]Either that or they are setting up Kirk as a Jack o'Neill type character. :P[/QUOTE]
There were a great deal of really useful expository bits trimmed from the final scripts. It's a bit of a shame, but helped the movie roll along at a comfortable pace.
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Jake
Spoiler: First scene with Kirk's father explained a lot, we now have the basis for the character's flaws and anger. This also puts the factor on the balance of life and death as we learn later. (STAR WARS THE CHARACTER HAS TO FIND OUT HIS FATHER IS FUCKED UP) Kirk's a bad boy, Luke was a baby! AWW LEMME STARE AT THE SUN AND BE MELODRAMATIC!
Kirk: LEMME STARE AT A STAR SHIP IM SOON GOING TO COMMAND!
BAR SCENE: HAN DOES THE WORK, LUKE SITS ON HIS ASS> KIRK HEY CUPCAKE> LETS DIE> STARFLEET
The [B]science[/B] of the character structure is fitting it fits the Star Trek Timeline and explains clearly how they became allies in a growing Federation.
Star Wars:
Lets see exactly where this goes, I'm not sure what I'm doing here but there must a purpose a force! MITOCHONDRIANS!
If you wish to counter my argument there: Remember there is the Q continuum...This could be another one of Qs games?
While we now have an explanation for the Romulan War, I hope in the next movie Data, YES, Brent Spiner will Return.
And thank god George Lucas is not the owner of this film otherwise we'd end up with something like. Star Wars Episode One.
Thank you for reading this review I hope you enjoyed it.
Yes it was a follow up to Nemesis, I hope to god just to show off they call it The Return of The Romulan Empire. It would make me laugh. :P
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Anyway fun as hell. The McCoy character was spot on, along with the interaction between Kirk and McCoy. Nice to see that some of the general humor is back that had been lost with TNG. Only complaint is the several plot loops that should have been handled differently (still better than a Michael Bay movie).
The best part, the characters had swagger, something almost completely missing from TNG (attn Mr. Frakes, growing a beard does not give you swagger).
Finally [sp]It was great seeing the guy in the red jump suit die almost immediately![/sp]
Jake
I know, I did feel that was somewhat odd. I know in the original Trek canon, Kirk rose through the ranks just like anybody else. True he was the youngest starfleet captain ever, but he got up there through honest work. Going from a near-graduate to Captain in a week seemed very......illogical.
I guess that stemmed from the fact that Pike made him first officer, over others who had been in the service already (such as Chekov).
Some have joked about Shatner's scene where he's climbing a mountain. Well, that's just another prime example of out of character portrayal. I took it for what I thought it was, a joke. :D
It's still entertainment with little to no basis in reality whatsoever.
I've read that some have complained about the physics side of the latest movie and the things they made black holes do. Strangely enough, I wasn't bothered by that at all. Ok, so yeah, I can see that JJ has an obvious fetish for red matter. If you recall, there was something similar in [I]Alias.[/I] Go figure.
Spoiler: And did anyone else catch Spock quoting Sherlock Holmes?
I think Ill see it just to see how they show off the bartitsu, seeing as we have some practitioners in the fencing school.
I'm not trying to start a flame war here, I just fail to understand how one can say something is out-of-character for its portrayal in one movie, but not a previous one?
Besides... if spock was the one to cheat, no one would have noticed the "glitch" when the cheat kicked in. =)
Stargate golf, here we come!
There we have it. Problem solved. :D
[QUOTE=Melkor;181898]Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't both kirks graduate from starfleet academy? Didn't they both receive command training? Wasn't it already shown what the Kobayashi Maru test was in startrek II, and establish that Kirk reprogrammed the computer to let him win then?
I'm not trying to start a flame war here, I just fail to understand how one can say something is out-of-character for its portrayal in one movie, but not a previous one?
Besides... if spock was the one to cheat, no one would have noticed the "glitch" when the cheat kicked in. =)[/QUOTE]
Who said that it wasn't out-of-character in the previous film? I've been saying that there have been scenes in previous films that were out-of-character for Kirk and I considered them tongue-in-cheek jokes. Look how Kirk handles his "reading" glasses in Star Trek IV? Need I say more? The man is a combat soldier, not an intellectual. He works by instinct, not brains. He's closer to a Klingon than a Vulcan in the way he tackles problems. That's why Spock and Kirk complement each other so well.
Flamewaaaaar, Flaaaaaamewaaaar! Where is Captain Tightpants when you need him? :D
[QUOTE=HuntSmacker;181896]Either that or they are setting up Kirk as a Jack o'Neill type character. :P[/QUOTE]
My point exactly.
Huh? Did you hear something good or bad about it?