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hyperion vs vorchan, lets get to it folks :)
Warleader D'Ren
Ranger
in Babylon 5
who will win this one?
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OR how about "Whichever ship has the best captain"....
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The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
The hyperion however (this is my favourite ship) is so cool, that by coolness alone it will beat the rap out of a single vorchan...
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the Vorchan not only looks cooler than the Hyperion, but also looks meaner. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Oh and samuelk, do try and be happy. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Cherio.
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Mater tva criceta fvit, et pater tvo redolvit bacarvm sambvcvs.
no1 spoke about the figthers...6 onboard the hyperion.
the vorchan have all his weapons in the front, the hyperion most of them but not all.
the vorchan has maybe more gunpower, more speed and turns better.
but who knows!!!!....
[b]Are we talking Hyperion of Midwinter? The Hyperion doesn't stand much of a chance. Its old, and slow. A Midwinter might do better, if the Vorchan came from the front where the particle beams are.[/b][/quote]
B5 Tech has some plausable stuff, and I'm more fond of it than others, but I find the Hyperion subclass crap annoying. Just assume it's a late model Hyperion. A Hyperion is a Hyperion, no matter if it has lasers, pulse cannons, mass drivers, or shadow slicer beams.
[This message has been edited by David of Mac (edited 06-10-2001).]
in modern warfare, a single F/A-18E can take out a small fleet of ships all on it's lonesome (of course this is assuming that the pilot has proper intel, it is armed with harpoons, maybe support from an AWACS-JSTARS, and the enemy not being aware of an attack), or it can be shot down the minute it gets within 100 miles (this is assuming the enemy KNOWS what the contact is).
similarly, a single Ticonderoga cruiser can take out an entire squadron of fighter/bombers, the missiles they launched, and even the ship or base they took off from. OR it could be taken out in the initial salvo.
so don't always bet on the one who has better weapons, speed, armor, ETC.
A: mines blow up starfuries
or
B: interceptors blow up mines
but there are many anti-missile systems, guns or missile to related , phlanax (crap), goalkeeper, meroka, italian guns (in 40mm or 76mm),etcetc, missiles like some israeli´s systems,etcetcetc...
but most of antiradar systems (missiles too) are supersonic,...using both at the same time the posibilities to hit the target are better...
well i tested that in harpoon1 game [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img].
The vorchan is a ship to work WITH others not to work alone, not like the hyperion.
i think a ship using the hull of two hyperions a zweeling like germans did in 2º WW or like the twin version of the p-51 mustang (mostly after the end of the 2º WW and few after the beginnig of Corea War), could be a better way for battlecruisser class ship like the primus, with a deck for figthers of shuttles in the middle.
that ship could have better engines, gravity systems, and at lower costs, remember 3 vorchans have the same price of 1 primus (or something like that).
And well the centauri have a better tech than humans , and...the hyperion is an old design.
[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] bye
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Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
But it's just as viable as anyone else's arguments about which ship would win...
Cherio.
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Catapvltam habeo. Nisi pecvniam omnem mihi dabis, ad capvt tvvm saxvm immane mittam.
Mater tva criceta fvit, et pater tvo redolvit bacarvm sambvcvs.
Sam: That is true. While we can get as much info as we like about the weapons and armour they each have, it all comes down to how the battle is fought, and that comes down to how whoever is writing the battle wants it to end.
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Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
In a Centauri battle group, the Primus is the carrier. I think this is most evident due to the large opening at the front of the primus. This opening appears to be very similar to the one on an Omega or a Nova. Keep in mind that though the human tech is, for the most part, somewhat behind the Centauri, due to the earth's heavy trade with the Centauri prior to the earth/minbari war that there is at least SOME influence in the design of the human ships from the centauri ships. Also, taking into account that I cannot recall seeing centauri fighters with Vorchan's (implying that they have none) this only furthers my beliefs. Granted, the Vorchan does pack some impressive firepower.
Now take the Hyperion. Comparitivly speaking it does not have as heavy firepower as the Vorchan does. However it DOES have fighters. Though we have never seen them launch, we have heard of their mention and seen them in escort of hyperions on numerous occasions. Also, the Hyperion, though sacrificing firepower, does seem to have heavy armor plating than the Vorchan as the centauri seem to veiw the Vorchan as "disposable" and "cheap".
I honestly think that the Vorchan's lack of fighters and concentration on offensive firepower puts it at a severe disadvantage.
I mean, due to the nature of the Vorchans (visible) weaponry, it seems to be directed at taking out enemy capital ships. Granted, a fighter taking a hit from one of these would be devastating, but capital ship caliber weapons are not designed to deal with fighters. That being said, all the Hyperion would have to do is send in the fighters and have them neutralize the Vorchan's weapons before the Hyperion even comes into weapons range. A vorchan is meant to provide capital ship support to a Primus, which in turn provides the fighter support for the Vorchan's as well as bring some REALLY heavy firepower and act as a C&C ship. Granted, a Vorchan is effective in packs, but really only so against enemy capital ships. A hyperion is MEANT to operate alone. It brings with it an armor level that is superior to the Vorchan, firepower that is only slightly weaker, and FIGHTERs, something the Vorchan lacks.
I honestly think that unless the Vorchan catches the Hyperion with her pants down, the Hyperion has an overwhelming advantage due to her fighters and the Vorchan's lack thereof.
f-82 twin mustang
here
[url="http://home.att.net/~Historyworld/F-82.html"]http://home.att.net/~Historyworld/F-82.html[/url]
the germans made a version like this of the bf-109 messerschimt.
but both came too late.
more screens
[url="http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/fighter/f82.htm"]http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/fighter/f82.htm[/url]
a good one no?
[url="http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/fighter/xf82-3.jpg"]http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/fighter/xf82-3.jpg[/url]
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