Where do we go from here?

Shuup Nick · July 2001

Now that ITF has gone, and most of the devs have gone with it, and now that DG is leaving, I think a lot of us would like to know (myself included) what is our goal at the moment, what are we fighting ofr, if anything at all, or are we beginning to witness the disintegration of Fristones.com?
[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/frown.gif[/img]
I hope not.
In the word of Radiohead:

[quote]Where do we go from here?
The words are coming out all wierd
where are you now, when I need you?[/quote]

Cherio.

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X-Omega · July 2001

As DG said, he will leave the maintenance of this community to Sanfam and Biggles. I couldn't think of better people to do this job. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] I'm sure FO will go on. One of the strenghts of Humans is that we form communities. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

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shadow boxer · July 2001

nothing ever truly dies....

samuelk · July 2001

There are already some ideas...

Sanfam · July 2001

[quote]Originally posted by shadow boxer:
[b]nothing ever truly dies....[/b][/quote]
...Until you let it die.

As long as we don't let this place die, it will remain. It will stay.

Ranger Brian · July 2001

[b] [quote]Where do we go from here? [/quote][/b]

Any where you want to.

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Only those that prosper truly judge what is sane.

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Biggles · July 2001

The basic idea we came up with a while ago (probably changed a bit in Sanfam's mind by now):

Firstones becomes a B5 news site. Chief news poster will be SamK, becuase he always seems to have a bunch to share. Sanfam will be the webmaster, I will be admin on the forums, along with Sanfam, to mantain order in this chaotic environment. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] Not sure exactly what is planned for the mods section, but it will be promoted a bit more.

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allanmc · July 2001

Sounds like a great idea Biggles, just one question though, will there still be an effort on behalf of firstones to promote our cause of finding someone to make some kind of B5 game?

shadow boxer · July 2001

~tinkle/~ yesssssssss ~/tinkle~

Mr_Bungle · July 2001

I have one small question, that the thousand-plus registered members of mods.firstones.com would be liking to know the answer to...

...[i]how will this effect us?[/i]

Now, the main side of FO was this ItF community, which we saw suffer it's final knock when the game finally passed beyond salvation in the legal mire of the WB offices - fair enough, we can imagine what effect that would have for you guys, leaving little of what the community was originally brough together around.

Still, the mod side of things has always been about that... simply, [i]the mods[/i] - and a great deal has been accomplished to bring the B5 experience to a number of gaming arenas - but just don't forget us in whatever you're planning!

Out of interest, who's now in charge of the mod side of things? Are we having someone from our own community, or is FO simply going to pick someone from amongst it's own ranks? There's a lot of work that needs doing on mods.firstones.com... and DG seemed to be losing his way.

Primarch · July 2001

I always liked the idea someone mentioned a while back of merging the mod and firstones forums like they were during the time of the temporary forums...some laughs were had there.

[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

Mr_Bungle · July 2001

Yeah, we had some laughs, but we didn't really get much work done... not really the same communities - and I lost my magic powers [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/frown.gif[/img]

Talon Mistsong · July 2001

Maybe we should call this place the "B5:ItF memorial site". All we need is to add a big headstone to the frontpage.

Yes I'm in a pesimistic mood. Now excuse me I have to check if my cynide pills have arrived yet.

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Biggles · July 2001

OK people, listen up! This community is [b]not[/b] dead! We are still getting new users even after the announcement. We are not a B5:ITF site anymore. We are now a Babylon 5 site. In reality, this is what we have been for quite some time now. As for the mods site, I don't know what the plan is there at the moment. Sanfam's the Big Cheese now, I'm just in charge of the main forums (along with Sanfam of course). But I do hope to see more mods news on the main page. It will take time to convert the site to it's new form, whatever that may be, and it will take more time for it to settle down. But changes will happen. Swapping the site's masters takes time, there are things like server access to be sorted out.
As for who will be put in charge of the mods section, I cannot say. Not my decision.

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The Balance provides. The Balance protects.

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shadow boxer · July 2001

go put on your asbestos suit and go look at my "Firstones as a body corporate thread"...

and lets see how many people here have balls....

or ovaries as the case may be...

socrates · July 2001

I'm back after about 2 months away, and there seems to be a lot to catch up on.

Yeah the site is pretty much a B5 one already, I hope the community continues to hang around though, since with the airing of the new B5 LOTR movie there'll be new stuff to talk about. Possibly a new series as well.

I do hope that there's some direction towards a B5 game though. I don't know how this is gonna come about, but it's just something I hope for after hearing abt B5 ITF. It is easy to destroy something, but not the idea behind it.

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Sanfam · July 2001

Well, the site is lacking content, really. Not everyone comes for the forums.

JackN · July 2001

Several years ago I pitched an idea for a game based on the B5 universe, that was like TradeWars, but way more updated technology wise.

I still think about doing it from time to time, but I'm weak when it comes to organizing and managing a project.

So...

:/

Biggles · July 2001

Sanfam: That is something I hope we will fix [b]really[/b] soon! The idea that was thrown around was for a B5 news site, with SamK as the cheif poster (don't know if he accepted...), so I suggest we make that our first aim and get it going as soon as we can.

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Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.

"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras

socrates · July 2001

[quote]Originally posted by JackN:
[b]Several years ago I pitched an idea for a game based on the B5 universe, that was like TradeWars, but way more updated technology wise.

I still think about doing it from time to time, but I'm weak when it comes to organizing and managing a project.

So...

:/[/b][/quote]

Jack: What's TradeWars? I wish I could work on a project like that too, but the time commitment needed is rather daunting.

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Sanfam · July 2001

Well, I'm working on various projects at once, so I'll probably steal elements of the web designs from each project and put them into the Firstones pile [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]Ah, the wonder of photoshop [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

JackN · July 2001

Tradewars is a classic BBS game from the 80's...

You have a ship, you can trade, buy, and sell to build an empire, or you could battle others to gain rewards to build that empire, or you could do a combination of both.

The game was well balanced, and you could be a good guy or bad guy...

ASNI graphics and DOS based...

You had to run a BBS, a doorway program, and the Tradewars module, etc.

It was turned based, and had a finite universe. So, if you had a lot of players, things got unfair in a hurry...

All in all though it is one of those programs that shined in its time.

I picture a quantum change in that program to a massively multiplayer internet version with an open ended universe.

I've seen a lot of games come and go since, that used game features (at least in concept) found in Tradewars.

I think the thing that tends to kill newer games is the lack of simplicity. In Tradewars you had a lot of features, but you could use combinations of different ones to get the desired result. You didn't have to use everything, and so the learning curve wasn't so critical.

Anyways, I still have my registration code for my copy of TW 2001 & 2002, which makes me laugh, considering what year it is now...

[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

Biggles · July 2001

I used to play Tradewars on a few BBS's back in about '94 and '95! It was so much fun! It's amazing how much more fun simple games are compared to today's games.

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Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.

"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras

Sanfam · July 2001

I think I played that some time ago, but I am not quite sure. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] And yes, simple games really are more fun!

CnlPepper · July 2001

I think firstones should strive to be a focal point on the net for all things b5 game, and generally b5 [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

I have to say that if would be nice to see the mods given more promotion on the front page, rather than just a small link with no description!

hmm.... maybe turn FO into a b5 "hub" of the internet?

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Sanfam · July 2001

That's actually the goal.
My dream is for it to have EVERYTHING you want that is babylon 5. I mean, absolutely everything. Games, Mods, Articles, Fanfic, Art, models, Editorials, Interviews, and more

KinkyJ · July 2001

That sounds cool! I think sorting out the links to the mods forums etc would be good too (I think they still point to the old forum).

PS. Oops, actually it does now, my mistake! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/redface.gif[/img]

[This message has been edited by KinkyJ (edited 07-26-2001).]

Sanfam · July 2001

Well, a complete re-design of the web site is in order. It's aged pretty badly [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]

Biggles · July 2001

Yes, Sanfam and I were discussing that just yesterday. He is busy on another project for this week, but hopefully we will have some prelim designs for you guys to gawk at soon. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

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Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.

"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras

Language of Hope · July 2001

May I point out that last time I tried to open the main page with NS, it still crashed.
Do you know the reason for this already?

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Sanfam · July 2001

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