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The end of Nightwish as we know it...
Data Crystal
Pencil Artist
in Zocalo v2.0
Everyone's probably heard of this by now, but there's always a chance that some haven't:
Due to the extremely heavy load on Nightwish.com at the moment, this copy of the [b]open letter[/b] posted on NW.com a day or so ago was taken from blabbermouth.net.
"[i]Dear Tarja,
"It's time to choose whether the story of NIGHTWISH ends here or whether it will still continue an undetermined period of time. We've been working with this creation for 9 years and we are not ready to give up yet. NIGHTWISH is a way of life, something to live for, and we're certain we can't let it go.
"Equally certain is the fact that we cannot go on with you and Marcelo any longer. During the last year something sad happened, which I've been going over in my head every single day, morning and night. Your attitude and behavior don't go with NIGHTWISH anymore. There are characteristics I would never have believed to see in my old dear friend. People who don't talk with each other for a year do not belong in the same band.
"We are involved in an industry where the business side of things is a necessary evil and something to worry about all the time. We are also a band which has always done music from the heart, because of friendship and the music itself. The mental satisfaction should always be more important than money! Nightwish is a band, it's an emotion.
"To you, unfortunately, business, money, and things that have nothing to do with those emotions have become much more important. You feel that you have sacrificed yourself and your musical career for NIGHTWISH, rather than thinking what it has given to you. This attitude was clearly shown to me in the two things you said to me in an airplane in Toronto: 'I don't need NIGHTWISH anymore,' and 'Remember, Tuomas, that I could leave this band at any time, giving you only one day's warning in advance.'
"I can't simply write any more songs for you to sing.
"You have said yourself that you are merely a 'guest musician' in NIGHTWISH. Now that visit ends and we will continue NIGHTWISH with a new female vocalist. We're sure this is an equally big relief to you as it is for us. We have all been feeling bad long enough.
"You told us that no matter what, the next NIGHTWISH album will be your last one. However, the rest of us want to continue as long as the fire burns. So there's no sense in doing that next album with you, either.
"The four of us have been going over this situation countless times and we have realized that this is the thing we want to do in life. It's all we can do. In December 2004, in Germany, you said that you will never tour again for more than two weeks at a time. You also said that we can forget about U.S. and Australia because the fees and the sizes of venues are too small.
"In interviews I've mentioned that if Tarja leaves, that would be the end of the band. I understand that people will think this way. NIGHTWISH is, however, a scenery of my soul and I'm not ready to let go because of one person. A person who wants to focus her creativity to somewhere else, a person whose values don't match mine.
"We were never bothered by the fact that you didn't participate in writing/arranging songs, you never in 9 years came to rehearse the songs with us before going to the studio. Not the fact that while on tour you always wanted to fly, separately from us with your husband. Not the fact that you are an undisputable front image of the band. We accepted and felt OK about everything except greed, underestimating the fans, and breaking promises. It was agreed by the five of us that NIGHTWISH would be the priority in everything that we do during 2004-2005. Still so many things were more important to you. The ultimate example being the already sold-out show in Oslo, which you wanted to cancel because you needed to rehearse for your solo concerts, meet frieds and go to the movies. Those were the words Marcelo used in an e-mail explaining the cancellation. This being just one example of so many. I couldn't think of a worse way of being selfish and dismissing our fans.
"NIGHTWISH is a way of life and a job with many obligations. To each other and to the fans. With you we can't take care of those duties anymore.
"Deep within we don't know which one of you drove us to this point. Somehow Marcelo has changed you from the lovely girl you were into a diva, who doesn't think or act the way she used to. You are too sure of your irreplaceableness and status.
"It's obvious that you blame your stress and misery on us four. And you think we don't respect or listen to you. Believe us; We have always had the uppermost respect towards you as a wonderful vocalist and as a friend. And very often during the past couple of years the plans were made according to your decisions only. You were always the only one who wanted more money from the shows.
"This 'compensation and more money from everything' attitude is the fact that we are most disappointed of!
"We wish that from now on you will listen to your heart instead of Marcelo. Cultural differences combined with greed, opportunism and love is a dangerous combination. Do not wither yourself.
"This decision is not something we are especially proud of but you gave us no choice. The gap between us is too wide. And the decision is made by us four unanimously. We are beyond the point where things could be settled by talking.
"All the best for your life and career, Tuomas.[/i]"
Also taken from Blabbermouth.net:
[i] Ex-NIGHTWISH frontwoman Tarja Turunen has commented on her former bandmates' decision to fire her following the final show of their "Once" world tour, which took place on Friday, October 21 in Helsinki, Finland. Writing to the fan site Tarja Turunen Fan , Tarja said, "I don't have words to express my feelings at the moment. I am devastated. This thing happened in a way that I didn't have a slight chance to give my opinion about it. I got fired out of a band that represents the last nine years of my life and I am very sad about it. It has been very cruel the way the band handled this in public. This doesn't change the fact that we were doing amazing music together, but I will never forget the fact that they didn't give me the chance to say goodbye for the people as a NIGHTWISH singer.
"I love you and I really hope to see you soon in my concerts. Thank you very much for your kind words and support. I will never forget you."
NIGHTWISH recorded the final show of the "Once" world tour for an upcoming live release, appropriately titled "End of an Era". A NIGHTWISH book, which promises to reveal in greater detail the circumstances behind Tarja's departure, is scheduled to be published in May.[/i]
So... it's hard to think that the boys of NW can pull this kind of a stunt off without finishing themselves off in the process, but we're keen on finding out what the future holds for NW... Changing the lead vocalist is always a very difficult thing for a band... especially if we're talking about such an unbelievably talented and photogenic beaut as Tarja Turunen. Ok, she can't pronounce english but damn, the damsel's got one darn good voice. :D
Strangely enough, if we forget the latest "Best Of" -collection, their latest album, "[b]Once[/b]", was without a doubt the best [b]Nightwish[/b]album ever. The band had really struck a major chord with [b]Once[/b] and sounded better than ever. :(
Me? I'm just waiting for the "Tarja Collection" -box with all the titles sung by Tarja which label will push out sooner or later if they have a shred of market sense left in 'em...
Okay, I know they won't make such a thingy, but one can always hope... :D
Due to the extremely heavy load on Nightwish.com at the moment, this copy of the [b]open letter[/b] posted on NW.com a day or so ago was taken from blabbermouth.net.
"[i]Dear Tarja,
"It's time to choose whether the story of NIGHTWISH ends here or whether it will still continue an undetermined period of time. We've been working with this creation for 9 years and we are not ready to give up yet. NIGHTWISH is a way of life, something to live for, and we're certain we can't let it go.
"Equally certain is the fact that we cannot go on with you and Marcelo any longer. During the last year something sad happened, which I've been going over in my head every single day, morning and night. Your attitude and behavior don't go with NIGHTWISH anymore. There are characteristics I would never have believed to see in my old dear friend. People who don't talk with each other for a year do not belong in the same band.
"We are involved in an industry where the business side of things is a necessary evil and something to worry about all the time. We are also a band which has always done music from the heart, because of friendship and the music itself. The mental satisfaction should always be more important than money! Nightwish is a band, it's an emotion.
"To you, unfortunately, business, money, and things that have nothing to do with those emotions have become much more important. You feel that you have sacrificed yourself and your musical career for NIGHTWISH, rather than thinking what it has given to you. This attitude was clearly shown to me in the two things you said to me in an airplane in Toronto: 'I don't need NIGHTWISH anymore,' and 'Remember, Tuomas, that I could leave this band at any time, giving you only one day's warning in advance.'
"I can't simply write any more songs for you to sing.
"You have said yourself that you are merely a 'guest musician' in NIGHTWISH. Now that visit ends and we will continue NIGHTWISH with a new female vocalist. We're sure this is an equally big relief to you as it is for us. We have all been feeling bad long enough.
"You told us that no matter what, the next NIGHTWISH album will be your last one. However, the rest of us want to continue as long as the fire burns. So there's no sense in doing that next album with you, either.
"The four of us have been going over this situation countless times and we have realized that this is the thing we want to do in life. It's all we can do. In December 2004, in Germany, you said that you will never tour again for more than two weeks at a time. You also said that we can forget about U.S. and Australia because the fees and the sizes of venues are too small.
"In interviews I've mentioned that if Tarja leaves, that would be the end of the band. I understand that people will think this way. NIGHTWISH is, however, a scenery of my soul and I'm not ready to let go because of one person. A person who wants to focus her creativity to somewhere else, a person whose values don't match mine.
"We were never bothered by the fact that you didn't participate in writing/arranging songs, you never in 9 years came to rehearse the songs with us before going to the studio. Not the fact that while on tour you always wanted to fly, separately from us with your husband. Not the fact that you are an undisputable front image of the band. We accepted and felt OK about everything except greed, underestimating the fans, and breaking promises. It was agreed by the five of us that NIGHTWISH would be the priority in everything that we do during 2004-2005. Still so many things were more important to you. The ultimate example being the already sold-out show in Oslo, which you wanted to cancel because you needed to rehearse for your solo concerts, meet frieds and go to the movies. Those were the words Marcelo used in an e-mail explaining the cancellation. This being just one example of so many. I couldn't think of a worse way of being selfish and dismissing our fans.
"NIGHTWISH is a way of life and a job with many obligations. To each other and to the fans. With you we can't take care of those duties anymore.
"Deep within we don't know which one of you drove us to this point. Somehow Marcelo has changed you from the lovely girl you were into a diva, who doesn't think or act the way she used to. You are too sure of your irreplaceableness and status.
"It's obvious that you blame your stress and misery on us four. And you think we don't respect or listen to you. Believe us; We have always had the uppermost respect towards you as a wonderful vocalist and as a friend. And very often during the past couple of years the plans were made according to your decisions only. You were always the only one who wanted more money from the shows.
"This 'compensation and more money from everything' attitude is the fact that we are most disappointed of!
"We wish that from now on you will listen to your heart instead of Marcelo. Cultural differences combined with greed, opportunism and love is a dangerous combination. Do not wither yourself.
"This decision is not something we are especially proud of but you gave us no choice. The gap between us is too wide. And the decision is made by us four unanimously. We are beyond the point where things could be settled by talking.
"All the best for your life and career, Tuomas.[/i]"
Also taken from Blabbermouth.net:
[i] Ex-NIGHTWISH frontwoman Tarja Turunen has commented on her former bandmates' decision to fire her following the final show of their "Once" world tour, which took place on Friday, October 21 in Helsinki, Finland. Writing to the fan site Tarja Turunen Fan , Tarja said, "I don't have words to express my feelings at the moment. I am devastated. This thing happened in a way that I didn't have a slight chance to give my opinion about it. I got fired out of a band that represents the last nine years of my life and I am very sad about it. It has been very cruel the way the band handled this in public. This doesn't change the fact that we were doing amazing music together, but I will never forget the fact that they didn't give me the chance to say goodbye for the people as a NIGHTWISH singer.
"I love you and I really hope to see you soon in my concerts. Thank you very much for your kind words and support. I will never forget you."
NIGHTWISH recorded the final show of the "Once" world tour for an upcoming live release, appropriately titled "End of an Era". A NIGHTWISH book, which promises to reveal in greater detail the circumstances behind Tarja's departure, is scheduled to be published in May.[/i]
So... it's hard to think that the boys of NW can pull this kind of a stunt off without finishing themselves off in the process, but we're keen on finding out what the future holds for NW... Changing the lead vocalist is always a very difficult thing for a band... especially if we're talking about such an unbelievably talented and photogenic beaut as Tarja Turunen. Ok, she can't pronounce english but damn, the damsel's got one darn good voice. :D
Strangely enough, if we forget the latest "Best Of" -collection, their latest album, "[b]Once[/b]", was without a doubt the best [b]Nightwish[/b]album ever. The band had really struck a major chord with [b]Once[/b] and sounded better than ever. :(
Me? I'm just waiting for the "Tarja Collection" -box with all the titles sung by Tarja which label will push out sooner or later if they have a shred of market sense left in 'em...
Okay, I know they won't make such a thingy, but one can always hope... :D
Comments
What I found amusing (and rather pitiful) was that nearly every big news station in Finland considered this as a major incident. :rolleyes:
The lead singer of [URL=http://www.nightwish.com]Nightwish[/URL] for the past 9 years.
[URL=http://koti.mbnet.fi/cijk/WIHAA.mp3]Nightwish - Wish I Had An Angel[/URL]
[URL=http://koti.mbnet.fi/cijk/SS.mp3]Nightwish - Sleeping Sun[/URL]
And I'm pretty sure they can get another lead singer easy.
Will have to wait and see.
Mind you, I rate Sonata Arctica higher. :D
thanks for sharing this data crystal, i did indeed miss out on this until now. not that it shocks me to hear it. nightwish was kind of unique when they started - that combination of metal/hard music with that kind of voice - but imo there's better groups than them these days :cool:
[B]She's not that hot.
And I'm pretty sure they can get another lead singer easy.
Will have to wait and see.
Mind you, I rate Sonata Arctica higher. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
Hey, no objections there, I'm an HC Sonata fan too and rate 'em over NW...
But come on? Not hot? :) Don't start debating with me, you're up for a losing battle. :D
Besides, you can't argue matters of taste. YOU WAGE BLOODY WAR ON 'EM. :D
I've never heard of this Nightwish bunch, but got to give them credit for standing up for what they believe, even if it'll probably kill the band.
Best wishes to them all.
The only bad thing regarding this is that now we will get Nightwish albums AND Tarja albums....Just like when a boyband is splitting, instead of one sucky album you get 5, one from each member.
Still this wasn't too big suprise for me. Hope the next singer is either *metal* or then truly a classical/opera singer.
They should do few acoustics gigs just the four of them and play the old songs :D