Jump Point Effects

LightNZ · October 2001

What do you guys think of the new ones??

Nice little design change there [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

lol, maybe that's what will become one of B5's things - having slightly different jump points for each spin-off lol

Rogue Trader · October 2001

i loved the way they looked in crusade and ACTA perfection. cant really see it well in rangers yet but im sure itll be nice.

Biggles · October 2001

I thought the ones in Crusade were great.

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Ricobirch · October 2001

Call me nostalgic but I'm a sucker for the "old" style.

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LightNZ · October 2001

lol, they are all good though eh. Jump Points are just a cool invention in the B5 universe.........and hyperspace [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

eamonmca · October 2001

But its a different type of ftl (faster than light)travel, that beats what any other Sci-fi (genre, not the channel) shows have.

I refer to Thirdspace for an analysis of how B5 hyperspace differs from other shows.

Biggles · October 2001

Most other shows use some form of great incredible drive tech that pushes them along at faster than light speeds. Very few rely on ships that can never, ever travel faster than light and in most cases are actually very slow and so rely on Hyperspace, where time works differently. Another thing is that few shows have this tech as something that noone knows who discovered it.

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Lord QDaan · October 2001

Biggles, correct me if I am wrong (a trekkie I am not), but don't ST ships sort of push themselves halfway into sub(hyper)space? I'm pretty sure they don't actually break that [i]particular[/i] natural law like SW ships.

As to the new jumppoints, I'll wait until I can get a better look.

Alec M · October 2001

Star Trek ships physically distort space around the ship, changing the law of physics and allowing the ship to travel "faster than light". That's why it's called Warp drive, because it warps space.

Also, there are some guys at NASA who are now saying that this kind of thing might actually be possible in some form.

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Entil'Zha · October 2001

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Also, there are some guys at NASA who are now saying that this kind of thing might actually be possible in some form.

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They have been saying that for a while, The physics behind it are sound, but they have no idea how to create a device that would warp space. or if you prefer a Dune term instead of a Trek term, Fold space. same principals really.

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Biggles · October 2001

This is why they call it "subspace". It is sort of not-quite space.
I found the term for another kind of space warping used in one Voyager episode quite amusing. "Hyper-sub-space". Wouldn't that be just normal space? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

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Lennier · October 2001

[quote]Originally posted by Entil'Zha:
[b] They have been saying that for a while, The physics behind it are sound, but they have no idea how to create a device that would warp space. or if you prefer a Dune term instead of a Trek term, Fold space. same principals really.

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I read the first two dune books and it sounds to me that the navigators don't fold space. They just navigate the ship past all the obstacles that they pass at high speed. Do they state otherwise anywhere.

eamonmca · October 2001

Thats exactly it.
They use the spice (eat it) to increase their telepathic abilities so that they can predict safe paths through space.

Without it its impossible to go FTL safely. You would fly through something before your 'scanners' would pick it up, since you would fly faster than the scanner signals.
(watch red dwarf).

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Biggles · October 2001

Yep. And that is why without the spice, interstella travel at FTL speeds is impossible. Kinda like an L-unit I guess.

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Hasdrubal · October 2001

But do they actually explain their FTL drive?
Nick

Biggles · October 2001

Which one?

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Bekenn · October 2001

Out of curiosity... what is the Farscape method of FTL travel? And don't say "Starburst," 'cause that ain't it.

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Lord Vorkosigan · October 2001

Its called Hetch Drive. No clue how it works, but you're still in normal space (or at least appear to be).

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Sanfam · October 2001

I do believe it is Hetch drive. You do not remain in normal space, though. It is a layer between dimensions. This was learned in the episode in which moya got stuck mud-starburst.

shadow boxer · October 2001

speaking of jump points... can someone get me a decent screen cap of an "arriving" jump point ?

for Artwork porpises... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

LightNZ · October 2001

[quote]Originally posted by shadow boxer:
[b]speaking of jump points... can someone get me a decent screen cap of an "arriving" jump point ?

for Artwork porpises... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img][/b][/quote]

A Crusade one or a B5 one??

Biggles · October 2001

It's just like a departing one, only it's blue instead of orange.

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shadow boxer · October 2001

original one, none of this new fangled crusade stuff.. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

(yes I know Biggles...and come to think of it perhaps a cap of each ?)

thanks in advance my friends

Freejack · October 2001

[quote]Originally posted by Biggles:
[b] Another thing is that few shows have this tech as something that noone knows who discovered it.
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The slipstream in Andromeda was "invented" by a very ancient race, to which the younger races were introduced. Also the stargates in Stargate.

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Melkor · October 2001

I guess the best way to think of a "warp drive" is to think of the ship, in a bubble. The ship itself never really moves and remains pretty much stationary inside the bubble. It's the bubble that breaks the laws of physics and goes faster than the speed of light. At least, that's the only way I can rationalize it in relation to things like the Theory of Relativity. Kinda their way of circumventing the rules/theories in Einstein's work.

Vertigo1 · October 2001

They'll probably explain the change in effects in LOTR. Could be a faster jump engine or something..

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eamonmca · October 2001

[quote]Originally posted by Melkor:
[b]Kinda their way of circumventing the rules/theories in Einstein's work.[/b][/quote]
Warp drive 'bubbles'. Reminds me of the "Heisenberg compensator" for transporters. That was a laws-of-physics-getout if ever I heard one.

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Biggles · October 2001

That's how they work, yes. The warp nacelles form a bubble around the ship that distorts space/time, allowing the ship to travel faster than light.

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LightNZ · October 2001

[quote]Originally posted by Vertigo1:
[b]They'll probably explain the change in effects in LOTR. Could be a faster jump engine or something..

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No, I don't think so. The new effects are simply new sfx......it is a new show, it has nothing to do with technology changing

Biggles · October 2001

That's how it was with Crusade. The new points were simply a result of a bigger FX budget.

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JackN · October 2001

Well... There is a technology difference, but it has nothing to do with the B5 Universe...

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It's called Maya instead of Lightwave...

heh heh

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