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David Sheridan was planned to appear in season 5.

I may have mentioned this before, because this was mentioned a tiny bit in old notes that JMS put in one of the script books, but Artifacts from Beyond the Rim goes into far more detail about this. David Sheridan, the son of John and Delenn, was going to travel backwards in time and show up for a few episodes, preaching against Sheridan and the ISA. At first, I thought this was a totally stupid idea, but in this book, it gives an outline for the whole thing, and it's actually kind of interesting.

So this is the idea. A snub-nose White Star, the same type we see Sheridan use in Sleeping in Light, is found floating dead somewhere, life signs are detected, and they go aboard and find a young man on it. He's taken to B5, put in Medlab, and recovers. His memory is messed up, and after a bad incident involving a trader that gets killed, he blames Sheridan for it. In the next episode, David keeps preaching against Sheridan and is gaining a following. Sheridan and Garibaldi watch this and are upset, but Sheridan strongly believes in free speech and feels that he must allow this. Eventually fighting breaks out and while David is detained, Sheridan meets with him and finds that he actually quite likes him and feels a connection, even though David still hates him. David starts dying for some reason, with his followers thinking that Sheridan tried to have him killed. The main characters can't find out why he's dying, this is how the second episode ends.

In the next episode, the final part of this, Franklin is treating David and discovers that he has human and Minbari DNA, and not only that, but finds that Sheridan is the father and Delenn is the mother. On a hunch he checked and found the same time distortion effects that they experienced before. They decide that they have to get him back immediately, and find the temporal distortion field that he came through. He goes back through, and right when he's about to go, he remembers something, a danger ahead, but then he's gone.

At first I thought that this whole thing would totally contradict the rules of time travel and such established earlier (which would really annoy me), but now with most of the context, I think that it doesn't really. Rather than coming from a timeline where Sheridan and Delenn turned into dictators, it seems more likely that David had a big problem with them, and this actually ties in with what's mentioned in The Deconstruction of Falling Stars, when the people a hundred years later mention a major controversy with the son of Sheridan and Delenn. David Sheridan getting a keeper put on him seems to be something he thought up later, and this is also supported by the fact that the notes for Objects at Rest doesn't mention Londo visiting on Minbar, so I think that there was some other incident that David was going to be involved with instead, rather than a Drakh plan with a keeper.

Overall, I think it's better that we didn't get this, but it did turn out more interesting than I thought it would be.


  • croxiscroxis I am the walrus
    I think David's keepers is a bad case of too many details. The hints that he has a spat with his parents is a nice bit of world building. Londo gifting one is fine, but it seems like JMS was trying to shoehorn a sequel hook when one wasn't needed, and as we know, never panned out.
  • PJHPJH The Lovely Thing
    Interesting idea, but I think it would've been a bit too much. I'm not a big fan of these type of plot twists personally and not a big fan of time traveling either and I'm glad B5 didn't have any more of that than it did have.

    Btw, the "snub-nose White Star" was called a Bluestar. Never heard them called snub-nose White Stars before. I would've liked to see more of them in the show too, as it was one of my favourite ship designs.
  • David of MacDavid of Mac Elite Ranger Ca
    The time-travel element does seem like another use of the same trick was Sheridan's flash-forward in War Without End, to provide more information on events outside of the scope of the series. I wonder if B5 was made a little later, once serialization, home video, and binge-watching had really taken off, JMS might've experimented with less sci-fi conceits to accomplish the same end, like having flash-forward or flashback side-plots in different episodes. Actually, that might be one thing that could actually make the B5 remake that he's flirted with from time-to-time worth doing. Not just doing a second draft of the basic plot, but being more daring structurally to explore those hundred years of detailed storyline, thousand years of though-out storyline, and million years of broad-strokes storyline that was only suggested as-is.

    I wouldn't say David's Keeper never panned out. It was the climax of the Centauri Prime books (though I have to wonder to what degree those two trilogies were anticipated in the run of the show. The Psi-Corps trilogy is pretty optional as far as plot goes, but the Centauri books ended up fulfilling a fairly major open question left at the very tail end of the show, where nothing else planned could touch it. And, of course, the Technomage Trilogy was burning off a bunch of unused backstory from Crusade, so that definitely wouldn't have been in the cards in season 5).

    As it happens, "Snub-Nosed White Star" is the official non-name for the Blue Star. It's listed that way in the encyclopedia and everything. The "Blue Star" name is pure fanon. Same with "Victory-class Destroyer" for the Excalibur. Though I believe VCD was picked up by the Agents of Gaming and Mongoose RPGs. I'm not sure if Blue Star was.
  • DarthCaligulaDarthCaligula Elite Ranger
    edited June 2018
    I called it a snub-nose White Star because that's what was in the notes I was looking at while typing this. Like I said, I'm glad that this wasn't used because I think that the time travel thing would have just been overdone. I think it was great in the way it was used in the show, and in the original plan. Time travel in science fiction is just so overused and never really seems to be thought out. Star Trek is a good example of this, I mean, just look at First Contact. If the Borg have access to time travel technology, they should be totally unstoppable. And then in The Voyage Home, apparently all you have to do is go warp whatever speed around a star. It's just ridiculous.

    Personally, I've never cared for the Centauri Trilogy, and don't really consider it at all when thinking of the story of B5. I prefer my own ideas of what happened there, though I'm fine with fans who liked the books. To me, the whole thing just felt like officially licensed fan fiction and nothing more. I loved the Psi Corps and Technomage books though. I still consider the Technomage books to be some of the best books I've ever read actually, even if the nickpicky B5 fan in me has some issues with it. I wish so much that Jeanne Cavelos had written more, or if she has, that I could find some of it since I think she's an amazing writer. I've never reread the Centauri books and have never had any desire to do so, but have read the others several times.
  • PJHPJH The Lovely Thing
    edited June 2018
    Ok, if you say so, but this is the first time I've heard of them called snub-nosed White Stars, as far as I can remember anyway. However Bluestar/Blue Star was always used by everyone back in the days. I even started modeling the ship years ago and searched for reference material and never came across any other name. I don't remember if there ever was any name used for it in any of the episodes though. But it was not present much anyway in the show. I think it was never actually mentioned by name. To me it's always gonna be a Bluestar/Blue Star, which ever way you want to write it. :)

    DarthCaligula, I agree about the time travel generally and in Trek. It's one of those things, which aren't very logical in the Trek universe, but it was a good story in First Contact still and worked entertainment wise very well.
  • DarthCaligulaDarthCaligula Elite Ranger
    edited June 2018
    I don't mind the name Blue Star, I mean, it's not like anyone had a clue what they were supposed to be called unless they looked at the script for Sleeping in Light or these notes that obviously weren't available for years. Also kind of like how I doubt anyone knew that Lord Refa's first name was actually Antol.
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