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  • OK LOTS of spoilers here.

    Who thinks the "Hand" is actually the thirdspace aliens?



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  • I bet the "hand" is third space aliens! Oh yeah i'm back!

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  • StrikerStriker Provided with distinction
    Hehe...I posted my "opinion" thread a minute before you. =)

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  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [quote]Originally posted by A2597:
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    Sheridan "You said 'You are the Hand'"
    Ivonava "I'd never say somethin that corney"




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  • StrikerStriker Provided with distinction
    I'd like to get into JMS's head and see how all this stuff comes together. =)

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  • Vorlons in my HeadVorlons in my Head The Vorlons told me to.
    I've been beaten to it! I guess I'm not the only one to notice the similarities to thirdspace. The gateway to another universe or dimension where incredibly ancient aliens even nastier than the shadows come out from and all that. Seems like there might be a link here.
  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [quote]Originally posted by Vorlons in my Head:
    [b]I've been beaten to it! I guess I'm not the only one to notice the similarities to thirdspace. The gateway to another universe or dimension where incredibly ancient aliens even nastier than the shadows come out from and all that. Seems like there might be a link here.[/b][/quote]

    Thats what i was thinking, Or this is some alien race that the Firstones drove beyond the rim millions of years ago, Nice of Lorien to mention that, wasn't it....



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  • RhettRhett (Not even a monkey)
    [quote]Originally posted by Greven:
    [b]I bet the "hand" is third space aliens! Oh yeah i'm back!

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    Well, the only prolem with this theory is that the Vorlons were the ones who exiled the Thirdspace, while I have feeling that the underground city was not Vorlon. However, my first thought was, Hand=Thirdspace The coincidences are eiery, however it turns out. When will we know if we have a new series??

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  • Vorlons in my HeadVorlons in my Head The Vorlons told me to.
    I always thought Thirdspace never really tied into the original B5 universe very well. It was more like a standalone movie which really led nowhere in terms of the story at the time (unusual in JMS' writing style to have story elements that end up leading nowhere I'd say). It seems more like something JMS did to keep as a wild card and just build from it at some point if necessary. I think he just did.
  • Admiral AndyAdmiral Andy Earthforce Officer
    I'm not sure what to think. Personally, I was really hoping for the Hand to be the "Hand of Z'Ha'dum". The ships looked a lot like primitive Shadow vessels.

    The idea that they could be the aliens from Thirdspace is a good one, but not likely judging by the fact that the ships were far different in design. I find it interesting that the Hand starship commander was shrouded in robes and appeared to be more humanoid then the Thirdspace aliens. Also those lobes (the hood draped over them) provide an interesting theory that they could be (though very improbable) Drakh (Unfortunately, that would contradict the origins of the Hand greatly).

    As for the Liandra being haunted, by bet is that the ship was a test-bed for Vorlon technology (Hey the thing looks like a fattened up White Star with a green hull coating. Minbari ships aren't green, Vorlon ships are).

    The Enfalli looks a lot like a fattened up Excaliber.

    I did enjoy the movie, and would like a Rangers series, though I think it should deal more with what the series' original premise was supposed to be: dealing with the legacy of the Shadows.

    Effects were great, but the White Star kicks the Liandra's butt.

    I hope Rangers goes to series so we can get back Crusade. That way we'll have the B5 Action Pack! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
  • I gots a ?

    Isnt the enfali (SP?) the Minbari name for the Black Star from In the Beginning??????
  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [quote]Originally posted by ZocaloHobo:
    [b]I gots a ?

    Isnt the enfali (SP?) the Minbari name for the Black Star from In the Beginning??????[/b][/quote]

    No, that was Dra la fi (phoenetic spelling)



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  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [quote]Originally posted by ZocaloHobo:
    [b]ok....I feel better now[/b][/quote]

    However, the word should seem familliar,

    From the B5 encyclopedia

    Enfili
    Race on a world on the edge of Drazi space attacked by raiders, which turned out the be supported by the Drazi.
    References:

    The Paragon of Animals
  • samuelksamuelk The Unstoppable Mr. 'K'
    On a related note, it looks like [url="http://www.b5lr.com"]http://www.b5lr.com[/url] is b0rked. Too much traffic, maybe? I would hope so, as a non-traffic problem like this would be a bad thing on the site's most important night. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

    [This message has been edited by samuelk (edited 01-20-2002).]
  • I was on there earlier.....

    Hey Sam.....I seen ya on aint it cool....didya see my entry there....lol
  • StrikerStriker Provided with distinction
    Web site works fine for me.

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  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [quote]Originally posted by Striker:
    [b]Web site works fine for me.

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    not for me, when i click on the DVD link i get a 500 error
  • samuelksamuelk The Unstoppable Mr. 'K'
    I should probably clarify what I said about B5LR.com.... the homepage does come up... but any news link I click on gives a script error, and I can't get to the forums.
  • samuelksamuelk The Unstoppable Mr. 'K'
    [quote]Originally posted by ZocaloHobo:
    [b]I was on there earlier.....

    Hey Sam.....I seen ya on aint it cool....didya see my entry there....lol[/b][/quote]


    Did you post with the same username you have here? If so, I didn't see you.
  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    Admiral Andy:

    Remember that the Spy said those were toys given to the loyal subjects. Those were not really "The Hand" themselves.

    Also, they didn't bill the Liandra as the latest greatest things on the block, although in comparison to that butt ugly Romulan wannabe... well...

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  • Admiral AndyAdmiral Andy Earthforce Officer
    I'm pretty sure that the four new ships designed for Rangers were the Liandra, Valen, Enfalli, and the Hand ships as stated by the designers in a B5LR.com article, though I might have been mistaken.
  • samuelksamuelk The Unstoppable Mr. 'K'
    The ships WERE "Hand" ships. But they were given to races loyal to the hand. So the PILOTS of those ships probably were not the Hand.
  • RigsRigs Earthforce Officer
    Hmmm, I have mixed feelings. I thought that it had a completely different feel then the original series and even the movies/Crusade. Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for anything new, but I expected more I guess. The start seemed rushed, like they shot that last and were on a deadline. (I've come to understand that may have been the case) Everyone says to give it some slack because 'The Gathering' wasn't that good, but you have to understand, the series hadn't been made yet. We've had like 10 years of Babylon 5 in various forms to flesh things out, it shouldn't, IMO, have the same hangups as 'The Gathering' had.
    I don't like the Jumpgate sequence or Hyperspace at all. Why change it? I thought it was fine before. People who weren't interested in Babylon 5 before, see this, then turn around and start watching the original series are going to be damned confused. I know I would. And what's with the Romulan Cruiser/EA Omega baby? Seemed to be quite a change from the sleekness of a White Star. Speaking of which, where are they? And why weren't they escorting some 'important diplomats'? Why ONE twenty-year old ship?
    On the other hand, I noticed the ITF music right away and was really surprised. That's a good thing. Maybe we can get more of that if there's a series. G'Kar is hilarious, especially in the cargo bay. ('Gotta go, kiss kiss') [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] The effects, other than the gates and hyperspace, are great. No more 2D particle explosions for us, No Sir! I thought the weapons officer freak-out sequence was kinda corny, need a little more control...
    I do hope it goes to series, we can work out the little quirks then...

    =-Rigs-=

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  • samuelksamuelk The Unstoppable Mr. 'K'
    [quote]'The Gathering' wasn't that good, but you have to understand, the series hadn't been made yet. [/quote]

    Yes, they had. JMS had the basic outline for B5 (the story arc which made B5 great), outlined long before "The Gathering" was made. And he had 1000 years of history outlined in detail in both directions of the B5 timeline.

    A rough start is very common with a new series. You've got a lot to deal with: new actors settling into their roles, a new and unfamiliar story.

    Quite frankly, I'm surprised that a lot of B5 fans are jumping the gun about bashing the story. History is repeating itself for the 3rd time.

    [This message has been edited by samuelk (edited 01-20-2002).]
  • AnlaShokAnlaShok Democrat From Hell
    I have a couple of concerns.

    WTF is this rule about never retreating from a fight? No weapons, no fight, right? It is completely idiotic to force a Ranger to chase down the opposition if all the weapons are down. Much more sensible to get repaired, and THEN beat the shit out of the bad guys. Yeesh.

    Did anyone else find the method of operationg the weapons extremely wasteful of the officer's energy? A long battle, weapons are fine, but the tac officer is unable to move due to advanced exhaustion? And the lag time in getting into that holosuite is definitely a serious issue.

    Other than that, I thought it was quite cool. G'Kar had a larger presence than some believe he should have, but he is the only "name" amongst the cast.

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  • I liked it first and most importantly. It was clear JMS said this was to be more of "an adventure" while B5 was a bit more of a drama.

    With the exception of the "slightly over the top" Martial Arts business, I liked the crew they seem to click. (I do like the concept of the Zero-G turret, it actually makes sense to do).

    I loved the meaning of "Turk". [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]

    Damn I thought the music sounded familar! **sniff**

    One bothersome plot point, why would Gkar of all people NOT believe the story of an ancient race driven out of the galaxy given he was the only one in the galaxy concerned enough about ancient legends to risk [and lose] sending a battlecruiser to Zhadum?!

    The thought of the day: The Ambassador very nicely dodged the question "Why would the Hand need you".

    My personal suspicion is because while they may have "found a way back" perhaps they are not really here yet in force so like the Shadows they need time.

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  • RigsRigs Earthforce Officer
    Oh, don't get me wrong, I loved it. Anything new is great. Sci-Fi gave us the great option of watching 'The Gathering' and LotR back to back today. Quite a difference, both in style and story. We've come a long way. You're right, he did plan out the whole thing before hand, but the actual production hadn't occured, and I'm sure some things went different than planned, such as Jeff Sinclair. Matter of fact, the Lurkers guide has a good section on his comments about the change from the start of production and the end of season one. I just think that things could've gone more smoothly, like maybe 'A Call To Arms', where it was actually felt like a long episode, instead of a movie. (Am I making sense here? Kinda hard to type out what I think in a comprehensive form, not my strongest points) [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img] Most of these points are moot if it goes to series, because these things can be expanded and smoothed out, much like the original series. Keeping my fingers crossed...

    =-Rigs-=

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