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UNIX is better according to M$
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Have a read of this whitepaper by M$
[url="http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/28226.html"]http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/28226.html[/url]
Your thoughts ?
[url="http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/28226.html"]http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/28226.html[/url]
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[url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Never eat anything bigger than your own head.[/url]
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
OS's like UNIX and MacOS, and even Linux to some degree, maintain their stability ratings because they maintain extremely strict hardware and software requirements which would never serve anyone in the consumer PC market.
Windows is pretty good all things considered.
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[url="http://www.alecm.com/"]Alec McClymont[/url]
"Something is only impossible until it's not."
Linux is available for (to name a few):
- Apple IIe
- Mac Classic's (68k Motorola chips)
- Power PC systems (mac and other)
- Palm Pilot
- 8086 through Pentium 4 systems PCs
- Amiga's (68k Motorola chips)
And you say Windows has a wider variety of platforms?
ROFL!!!
[b]I'd like to see how stable UNIX would be if it were thrown into a sea of unlimited and unknown hardware and software configurations. The thing people tend to forget about Windows' stability vs. other operating systems is that it's designed to run on an infinitely wide array of computing platforms, and on multiple kinds of processors and chipsets.
OS's like UNIX and MacOS, and even Linux to some degree, maintain their stability ratings because they maintain extremely strict hardware and software requirements which would never serve anyone in the consumer PC market.
Windows is pretty good all things considered.
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I've run Unix on as wide a range of hardware as i've run windows on, and its still more stable.
I run Unix/Linux on everything from the 386 PS/2 that i've got, to pentiums, to AMD Athlons to my PPC.
I have webcam hardware, controller cards, soundcards, printers, USB devices, all ranges of hardware on my unix boxes.
My 2 current unix boxes.
isengard# uptime
9:11PM up 112 days, 23:40,
[root /root]# uptime
9:11pm up 340 days, 8:17,
theres absolutely nothing wrong with strict protocols regarding software,peripherals et al, because it makes sloppy programmers and engineers life thier game and make good shit...
I've had perhaps three dodgy bits of software in all my Maccing years...and I cant remember a piece of hardware ever giving me any real trouble, aside from the odd Scsii conflict, ( but thats a bloody universal problem anyways)
I have no sympathy for Windows users at all, if you insist on fostering the mother of all cheap nasty rip off clones...
... eat your gruel and don't be bitchin at me.. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
Microsoft put up a site encouraging webservers to switch from Unix servers to Windows.
Well, a little digging showed several people that this site was, in fact, on a Unix server. Presumably, they informed Microsoft, who promptly switched to a Windows server.
The site was down for the better part of a week, starting the second that Windows server was plugged in.
And there's a little theory that when Microsoft got the Windows server working, they actually went back to Unix but altered the various identifing tags so it looked like a Windows machine. Completely unsubstanciated, but ironic.
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Linux also had more security vulnerabilities than even Windows did last year.
Since I've had Windows XP, I've had 1 crash in 1 year. Keep in mind that although some of you may have run Linux/Unix on similar machines as your Windows configs, chances are that "normal people" won't have a machine you could install Linux on. Or maybe you could install it but wouldn't have drivers for everything.
Windows is designed for a greater variety of hardware and software, and because of all the extra (and unknown) variables in the mix it CAN make it unstable.
It's not like Windows is perfect or anything, but it's not as bad as the Linux/Unix crowd makes it out to be.
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[url="http://www.alecm.com/"]Alec McClymont[/url]
"Something is only impossible until it's not."
Your claim about security flaws is a great example. Windows is well known by everyone (and even MS admits it) to be more vulnerable than any Unix based system. When a vulnerability was found in Apache, it was fixed in less than a few days. Patches take months to get out of MS.
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[url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Never eat anything bigger than your own head.[/url]
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
Linux also had more security vulnerabilities than even Windows did last year.
chances are that "normal people" won't have a machine you could install Linux on. Or maybe you could install it but wouldn't have drivers for everything.
It's not like Windows is perfect or anything, but it's not as bad as the Linux/Unix crowd makes it out to be.
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Most all of your statements are patently false
"Linux also had more security vulnerabilities than even Windows did last year."
False, Windows has more vulnerablities than a properly maintained unix/linux box
"chances are that "normal people" won't have a machine you could install Linux on. Or maybe you could install it but wouldn't have drivers for everything."
False, You can install Unix/Linux on almost any standard PC that will run windows or MacOS.
"It's not like Windows is perfect or anything, but it's not as bad as the Linux/Unix crowd makes it out to be."
This statement is Factually false, Windows is just as bad as its made out to be, But only in the sense that it is a much less stable OS. Now, You brought up Xp, Xp is a new beast, because its an NT/9x hybrid kernel, NT has always been a much more stable windows OS than the 9x kernel.
From a practical standpoint, a unix/linux machine CAN be just as unstable, but that is usually due to misconfiguration or an improperly compiled kernel.
I happen to use Windows,(Xp, 2000 and Me) Unix (FreeBSD, NetBSD) Linux (Redhat) and MacOS 9. My FreeBSD machine is the most stable (with an uptime of 113 days), My Mac is the 2nd most stable, and My XP box is the 3rd most stable, the Me Machine is the most unstable.
And as for odd hardware, the FreeBSD box, has no IDE controller, only scsi, a really bizzaire webcam card (made by Hauppage about 6 years ago) and a strange USB card.
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..And so it Begins
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Well, a little digging showed several people that this site was, in fact, on a Unix server. Presumably, they informed Microsoft, who promptly switched to a Windows server.
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It was FreeBSD that they were running it on, I used to have all the articles on it printed out.
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..And so it Begins
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Actually, Linux did have more NEW security vulnerabilities annouced last year than Windows did.
[url="http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/19996.html"]http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/19996.html[/url]
I'm not trying to say that Windows is better than Linux here people. Windows constantly gets a bad rap, especially considering that most people using Windows right now would have no idea how to install it, let alone install and setup Linux or Unix.
Also, just because I say "Windows" doesn't mean I'm automatically saying "Windows ME", since we all know that that OS IS a piece of crap. It's all about the NT people.
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[url="http://www.alecm.com/"]Alec McClymont[/url]
"Something is only impossible until it's not."
[b]OK, but how do you play games like X-Wing, UT, MS Flight Sim, Nascar, Diablo, B5 IFH in Mac O/S, Linux or Unix??
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UT is out for Linux. As for any other games, as long as they don't use DirectX calls, you can run them. Just use Wine.
[b]OK, but how do you play games like X-Wing, UT, MS Flight Sim, Nascar, Diablo, B5 IFH in Mac O/S, Linux or Unix??
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well first of all, why would you want to? Linux/Unix is not a gaming platform.
and if i wanted to, i'd use Wine or VMware.
Case closed. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
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Only the insane have strength enough to prosper,
Only those that prosper truly judge what is sane.
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[url="http://www.alecm.com/"]Alec McClymont[/url]
"Something is only impossible until it's not."
[b]So Unix / Linux / Mac O/S isn't as good as Windows then [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/tongue.gif[/img]
Case closed. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
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well yeah, i mean if you want to use your computer for a toy and play games with it, then I guess you are right
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..And so it Begins
http://www.firefoot.com
[b]Lets see...
Linux is available for (to name a few):
- Apple IIe
- Mac Classic's (68k Motorola chips)
- Power PC systems (mac and other)
- Palm Pilot
- 8086 through Pentium 4 systems PCs
- Amiga's (68k Motorola chips)
And you say Windows has a wider variety of platforms?
ROFL!!![/b][/quote]
His point is that Windows isn't hindered by proprietary hardware/software (ala Apple). They've designed it so that it has a broad support range of hardware. Something THAT dymanic is going to have a few glitches in it. Especially with how little time they have to do it in.
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AnlaShok, Captain of the Gray Hand of Fate Squadron
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Wielder of the Big Heavy Hammer of Obvious Truth
"FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!"
[b] well first of all, why would you want to? Linux/Unix is not a gaming platform.
and if i wanted to, i'd use Wine or VMware.
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Then why are games coming out for it? Why are video card manufacturers releasing Linux drivers for their high-end products? (nVidia releases them all the time!) Why does it support OpenGL?
I rest my case.
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"Isn't the universe an amazing place? I wouldn't live anywhere else! Love to stay! Can't, have to go! Kiss! Kiss! Love! Love! Bye! *kiss*" - G'Kar
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[url="http://www.alecm.com/"]Alec McClymont[/url]
"Something is only impossible until it's not."
[b] Then why are games coming out for it? Why are video card manufacturers releasing Linux drivers for their high-end products? (nVidia releases them all the time!) Why does it support OpenGL?
I rest my case.
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OpenGL = 3d Terrain Modeling
OpenGL = 3d Rendering
OpenGL = CAD
I can go on.
As for my post listing the operating systems, that is refering to how much MORE varried platforms Linux covers compared to MS. And yet Linux is far more stable. Linux covers all platforms MS covers and then a ton more. Yet it stays stable on them all.
Intel and MicroSoft have been scratching each others' backs for years and will continue to do so.
I admit to not having the time nor inclination to learn Linux or Unix. I intend to do so at some point, but one of the primary uses for my computer is gaming. That excludes me from using Linux or Mac. When I can put together a box for experimental purposes, I will try Linux, but geting a job comes first.
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AnlaShok, Captain of the Gray Hand of Fate Squadron
Sidhe-1
Wielder of the Big Heavy Hammer of Obvious Truth
"FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!"
[b]Linux will also cruise along just fine on a 486. Windows is deliberately made to be slow and clunky to force hardware upgrades. Due to deliberate incompatibilities, keeping your old Windows version instead of upgrading makes newer programs unavailable.
Intel and MicroSoft have been scratching each others' backs for years and will continue to do so.
I admit to not having the time nor inclination to learn Linux or Unix. I intend to do so at some point, but one of the primary uses for my computer is gaming. That excludes me from using Linux or Mac. When I can put together a box for experimental purposes, I will try Linux, but geting a job comes first.
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If you just want to play around with a *nix operating system, pick yourself up a dirt cheap 486 or low end pentium, should be perfect for learning on, my old unix box before i retired it was a Dual p120 that i slapped together for maybe $50 bucks.
ANd if i wanted to run it on a 486, heck i found 3 486's on the street over the last couple months.
[b] His point is that Windows isn't hindered by proprietary hardware/software (ala Apple). They've designed it so that it has a broad support range of hardware. Something THAT dymanic is going to have a few glitches in it. Especially with how little time they have to do it in.[/b][/quote]
No, he was saying that windows runs on more platforms than anything else. Which is rubbish. Both with windows and linux depend on the manufacturers for their drivers. Remember how few drivers were available for WinXP when it first came out?
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[url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Never eat anything bigger than your own head.[/url]
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[b]OK, but how do you play games like X-Wing, UT, MS Flight Sim, Nascar, Diablo, B5 IFH in Mac O/S, Linux or Unix??
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I can't vouch for the others, but X-Wing is available on the Mac.
Granted the Mac gaing experience can be limited for title choice, but the games you do get... ROCK !
You just keep using your Windoze boxes fellas and leave the real computers to those who know what a good one is. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
[b]Granted the Mac gaing experience can be limited for title choice, but the games you do get... ROCK !
[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img][/b][/quote]
Not ot mention a year later [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/tongue.gif[/img]
Sorry, just had to mention that...